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	<title>Search Engine Optimization Blog - SEM News &#38; Opinion - David Ogletree &#187; wikipedia</title>
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		<title>Edit wikipedia to improve your rank</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your website is directly under Wikipedia and you want to beat them you can make changes to the Wikipedia page to give yourself a small advantage. This won’t work if they are beating you by a long shot. Just go in and edit the page so that the keyword is not mentioned as many [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your website is directly under Wikipedia and you want to beat them you can make changes to the Wikipedia page to give yourself a small advantage.  This won’t work if they are beating you by a long shot.  Just go in and edit the page so that the keyword is not mentioned as many times.  Try to make sure the article still reads well.  If you remove all of them or make the article read bad somebody will just come in and fix it. </p>
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		<title>Wikipedia is droping in most recent update</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ogletree</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote a few weeks ago that Google was devaluing Wikipedia in the SERPS. ( &#8220;Google and Wikipedia seem to be having a lovers spat&#8221;). At the time I could only see the results on some test data center that Google likes to serve me every so often. Well now I am actually seeing it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a few weeks ago that Google was devaluing Wikipedia in the SERPS. ( <a href="http://www.ogletreeseo.com/126.html">&#8220;Google and Wikipedia seem to be having a lovers spat&#8221;</a>).  At the time I could only see the results on some test data center that Google likes to serve me every so often.  Well now I am actually seeing it on actual datacenters that I know the IP of.  These datacenters seem to have an index update on them.</p>
<p><a href="http://216.239.37.107/">216.239.37.107</a><br />
<a href="http://216.239.37.99/">216.239.37.99</a><br />
<a href="http://64.233.185.99">64.233.185.99</a><br />
<a href="http://64.233.189.104/">64.233.189.104</a></p>
<p><span id="more-142"></span></p>
<p>Some of the searches I see are:</p>
<p>christian missionaries (<a href="http://64.233.183.99/">old</a>) (<a href="http://64.233.185.99/">new</a>)</p>
<p>This could have something to do with Wikipedia putting the nofollow on all their links or could just be that some sites are just ranking better than Wikipedia.  There are still a lot of terms that are exactly the same.   </p>
<p>I guess I just keep hoping that Google will take away the authority status of such a stupid idea of a website.  How can anybody link to Wikipedia when what you linked to could change at any time.  Google should treat all links to Wikipedia as nofollow because you can&#8217;t trust the site.  </p>
<p>As of this writing Wikipedia is down.  It is probably wishful thinking to hope that it won&#8217;t come back up.</p>
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		<title>Google Needs to Remove Wikipedia From the Index</title>
		<link>http://www.ogletreeseo.com/131.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ogletree</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wikipedia has been in the news a lot lately because it put the nofollow tag on certain links posted by authors. Well I think that is not enough. I think they need to exclude their whole site from the search engines and every page needs to load a warning first or the site needs to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia has been in the <a href="http://technorati.com/search/wikipedia+nofollow">news</a> a lot lately because it put the nofollow tag on certain links posted by authors.  Well I think that is not enough.  I think they need to exclude their whole site from the search engines and every page needs to load a warning first or the site needs to just shut down.  I think Wikipedia was a good idea before the whole world knew about it.  The problem with the idea of a WiKi encyclopedia is that you can’t trust it.  The <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/15/wikipedia_can_damage_your_grades/">founder of Wikipedia says</a> that he gets about 10 e-mail messages a week from students who complain that Wikipedia has earned them fail grades. <span id="more-131"></span></p>
<p> I have a <a href="http://www.texasteachingjobs.com/">teaching jobs website</a> and I noticed in one of the Google result pages that Wikipedia and I both show up on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhill_School,_Addison">Wikipedia page</a> was vandalized.  (<a href="/greenhills-wikipedia.mht">copy (IE only)</a>, or <a href="/greenhills-wikipedia.pdf">pdf</a> in case it gets fixed)      I did some research into Wikipedia and that place is a mess.  All you have to do is go to the daily posts on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents">noticeboard/Incidents page</a> to see what a mess that place is.  </p>
<p>Google treats Wikipedia like it is a trusted source of information.  I do agree Wikipedia does have some pages that are correct and I’m sure the amount of correct information is way in the majority.  The problem is erroneous information is dynamic.  What might be correct today might be incorrect tomorrow.   I can go to any page right now and change data so that it looks right but is a little off and instantly it is public.  The people that do obvious vandalism are not the problem the people that do small changes that are hard to detect are the real problems.  If the page is not visited often the change may go unnoticed forever.  </p>
<p>Wikipedia needs to just shut down. I know they are not going to do this so I think the search engines need to stop giving Wikipedia so much authority.  Google is telling the world that it respects the information in Wikipedia.  Google not only puts Wikipedia in the index that get special top ranking for any term that ends with the word information. (ex. <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=seo+information">example</a>)  Google gave us the <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/01/preventing-comment-spam.html">nofollow tag</a> so that website owners could tell Google that it does not trust certain links because they did not put them on the site  (ex. comments, forum posts).  Just about every page on Wikipedia is made by people who do not work for the website.  I say that those pages are the same as comments and should not be trusted by the search engines.  <a href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35291">Google does not want web sites to use FFA (free for all) link websites.</a>  A FFA is a site that posts large lists of unrelated links to anybody who wants them.   Wikipedia is a FFA content site and should be treated like a FFA link site.</p>
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		<title>Google and Wikipedia seem to be having a lovers spat</title>
		<link>http://www.ogletreeseo.com/126.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 06:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ogletree</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google seems to be devaluing Wikipedia. I hope Google is finally turning down the knobs on Wikipedia. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, the online encyclopaedia, is set to launch an internet search engine with amazon.com that he hopes will become a rival [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google seems to be devaluing Wikipedia.  I hope Google is finally turning down the knobs on Wikipedia.  I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, the online encyclopaedia, is set to launch an internet search engine with amazon.com that he hopes will become a rival to Google and Yahoo that he <a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-2517026,00.html">announced</a> back in December. </p>
<p>There were just too many terms where Wikipedia would beat out sites that should be number one just because Google thinks it is the authority on everything.   Wikipedia still ranks for a lot of terms but I think Google is finally taking away their cart blanche on ranking.  This could be one of Google’s hiccups where they went back to some old algo or to some backup algo or some test.  I hope it is not.  Wikipedia should rank for some terms when people have linked to it but there is no reason for them to rank for terms when that page has no back links at all and is beating out sites that have all the right stuff to rank higher.  </p>
<p>I only have one example and I would rather not disclose it and everybody I asked said they have seen the same thing but did not disclose their terms either.  Let me know if you have any good examples I could use.  From what I can tell Wikipedia has lost ground on pages that have no back links at all.</p>
<p>The results I&#8217;m getting are from some secret Google data center that I can&#8217;t access via ip.  I can only get it from www.google.com.  I wonder if it is some test server.  I hope it is something that will go live.</p>
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		<title>Ask.com and Wikipedia working together</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ogletree</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was looking over at www.ask.com and noticed that several terms brought up a special Wikipedia result at the top of the page above the ads. search engine marketing maritime law data structures Mathematical logic Also DaveN on the Webmasterradio show www.strikepoint.co.uk pointed out that Ask is now showing the ads with a blue background [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking over at www.ask.com and noticed that several terms brought up a special Wikipedia result at the top of the page above the ads.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ask.com/web?q=search+engine+marketing&#038;qsrc=1&#038;o=0">search engine marketing</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ask.com/web?q=maritime+law&#038;qsrc=1&#038;o=0">maritime law</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ask.com/web?q=data+structures&#038;qsrc=1&#038;o=0">data structures</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ask.com/web?q=Mathematical+logic&#038;ed=12831497600059512226">Mathematical logic</a></p>
<p>Also <a href="http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk/">DaveN</a> on the Webmasterradio show <a href="http://www.strikepoint.co.uk/">www.strikepoint.co.uk</a> pointed out that Ask is now showing the ads with a blue background instead of making them look like the organic results.  I have no idea what kind of deal Ask has with Wikipedia but I think this is new.</p>
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		<title>V7ndotcom Elursrebmem has been added to Wikipedia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ogletree</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wikipedia has added V7ndotcom Elursrebmem and it is being considered for deletion. There are some that believe that now anybody with a contest can get a entry into wikipedia. I personaly think it should stay. This is a big topic in our wolrd right now. Wikipedia should have it listed it is part of net [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia has added <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V7ndotcom_Elursrebmem">V7ndotcom Elursrebmem</a> and it is being considered for deletion.  There are some that believe that now anybody with a contest can get a entry into wikipedia.  I personaly think it should stay.  This is a big topic in our wolrd right now.  Wikipedia should have it listed it is part of net history.  Reguardless of what you think of the guy putting it on.</p>
<h1>V7ndotcom Elursrebmem</h1>
<p><strong>V7ndotcom Elursrebmem<br />
</strong><em>V7ndotcom Elursrebmem</em><strong><em><br />
</em></strong><u>V7ndotcom Elursrebmem</u><strong><em /></strong></p>
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